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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:33:00 -
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Hi CCP and community.
The current tax system on members is almost good except that members can get away with trading tax via market and contracts. Will you, CCP give us a feature soon to tax members on their trading income e.g. transaction amount above X ISKs is subjected to corporate tax?
Current tax system only taxes on bounties above Y ISKs. :(
I am sure corporate leaders in this community would like to have this feature. :)
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 27/08/2007 13:51:27
Well DubanFP, the bounty system is the same. A 40% tax on a newb for a 40k rat is also unfair when you impose a 40% tax on a vet for a 1M rat. The vet won't feel the sting as much as a newb in my humble opinion. It is the same reasoning isn't it?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:01:00 -
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I see your point. So when someone kills a faction spawn and gets a Estemel something, corp gains a few hundred K ISKs from the bounty and corp misses out on a few million ISKs on the sale?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 27/08/2007 17:59:03
fswd: Post with your main or please do not post at all, or at least say something more than a sentence.
Lord Dynastron: They would be kicked from corp eventually and no rich and loaded space for them to find faction spawns.
WarlockX: Taxing on profit margins would be too difficult for CCP's programming team to implement. It would be easier to tax on transactions instead. Trade tax is to help managing corp easier because chasing after slackers for ISKs is like watching paint dry.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 18:28:00 -
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Draco: Since you have asked nicely, I will reply.
This is an idea in the midst and would require refining if we insist on CCP to give us this tax feature.
I did say apply tax on green numbers above X ISKs or something along those lines. Anything below the threshold is members own personal allowances. I honestly do not think CCP could implement a proper corp tax on profit margin because it would require heavy book-keeping on ledgers.
It is not like we could set for drone with A ISKs bounty, tax B much or drone with C ISKs bounty, tax D much. I am thinking of something keep it slightly simple.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.28 15:18:00 -
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Maglorre: Actually if you had read and understand the thread before posting, you would see that I am aware of tax credit.
However, not wanting to put words into your mouth, I am not sure whether are you aware that I am talking about trade tax from CCP's programming team's point of view on the game. Like I have said earlier, a proper book-keeping would be hard. I am asking for a simple system like the current bounty tax system.
I am not asking for a RL tax system. At the end of the day, whatever tax system must be in the context of the game.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.28 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/08/2007 20:33:06
Alright. What is so hard about trade tax? I will put numbers that Hoshi won't nitpick.
Current corp tax system:
Kill drones above 50k (determined by CCP) and accrue X% corp tax on gross bounties.
My in-the-clouds corp trade tax system proposal:
Receive green entries above 10M (determined by corp) and accrue X% corp tax on gross profits.
It is not that difficult to program to be honest. At least I am proposing something that is do-able by CCP and not something that looks nice on paper and horrendously hard to code. It will only take one or two working days and would make certain percentage of this community happy.
What is so wrong with that? I am not asking for a RL VAT or GST system. This tax proposal is within the game context. Completely programmable, completely encapsulated, completely low coupled and an option for some of us who want easy corp management.
I guess you guys do not chase after people to pay up before, do you?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 13:58:00 -
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Venkul: It is gross profit in the context of market trading - profit takings less the cost of the goods sold.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 19:06:00 -
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Avoiding trading tax with an alt? LOL. Put 40% tax on bounties in starter corps and 40% tax on trading tax above 10M in starter corps and we see how many players will be in player corps.
Don't like that alt? Go do something about it as it is no longer in starter corps.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 19:28:00 -
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If you are under a corp that takes tax seriously and if the corp sees you not paying your taxes, you will be kicked or left alone in 0.0.
I think that is fair. Game over?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 19:46:00 -
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Tonkin: It is good that you bring that up. Well, when you list orders or contracts for sale, they could be tied to the current corp tax to protect members from dodgy CEOs or directors. The effective tax is the time when you put orders up or modify them.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:03:00 -
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Malachon:
If the corp taxes 10% on income above 10M then,
1) Tax free - personal allowance.
2) Tax free - personal allowance.
3) He would pay 10M in tax for selling the Raven at 100M. If he sold for 80M, he would pay 8M in tax.
What is so huge about this tax administration system?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:25:00 -
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That is the point. If they avoid tax after a while they will be left alone in 0.0 or somewhere in a hell-hole. That is a fair punishment for evading corp tax. :)
Corp tax is to help to achieve a corp goal and to make collecting dues easily.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 30/08/2007 22:30:53
Coz as said for more than three times, corp tax also makes collecting dues easily.
Jenny > Hello Cal.
Cal > Hello.
Jenny > Pay-up.
Cal > What? Have to go now sorry, Mummy is calling.
Jenny > K k, bye. Remember to pay-up.
Cal > Sure, sure.
* Cal forgets to pay up until next month.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:36:00 -
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Thank you for you support, Cal. Let's try to make this request a success. :)
Current system:
Tax on bounties.
Proposed system:
Tax on trading income.
Final system:
Tax on bounties and trading income.
I am fighting for balance. :)
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 23:03:00 -
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1) Yes, 2.5b tax.
2) He could sell at 2.80 ISK per unit and make 28b sale and pay 2.8b tax. In effect, he would make 4b in profit which is 1.2b profit after tax.
3) He could find a low tax corp instead if giving 11M to corp is a bad thing.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 23:13:00 -
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So what if your corp has busy players who can't find time to mine together. Corp tax and donation are methods to get around with. Frankly, nobody is reponsible when it comes to donation. Corp tax taxing at source is the way to go.
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